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I've been comparing the prices and features of the 4600/4700 vs th 5105/5205 tractors. The JD info I have says that I can only use a 521 loader on the 5n05 tractors. If you compare the 521 performance on a 5n05 vs a 5n10 tractor the 10 s have higher performance. The 5n05+521 vs the 4n00+JD460 comparison the 4n00 win. Price wise the tractors are similar when outfitted with comparable equipment at least from the two dealers I have talked with I think jdlawns and www.4turf.com work out roughly the same as well. The backhoes from JDs are another story as well. The JD48 for a 4600/5700 is roughly 7,000 installed while the JD10A for the 5n05 is about $10,200. A big jump in price....

These are really tough choices between these tractors.

Hope this helps...
Dan

Deere 4600 purchase
John Deere Tractors
Replies 18 Post by Dan McCarty

Scott, <br>
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I understand you are wanting to get information about new features to put in the 4000 series tractors. But that is not what you are getting so far.... 8-)<br>
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The issues of reliablity that others are bringing FAR OUTWEIGH any new tractor features. How the Customer is treated and feels is much more inmportant than a cup holder, twisting chair, or telescoping arms.<br>
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As someone who is looking at getting a tractor within the next year, hopefully sooner, this board is my primary source of tractor information. JD needs to go read these two boards. They need to pay attention to what is being said. I see very few complaints about Orange or Blue tractors. <br>
But I see quite a few on Green 4000s. Now this might be a small sampling of owners. I don't know. But it is the only group I have to learn from. And I have learned more from these two boards just lurking and reading over the last few months than I could every learn talking with dealers.<br>
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The other reality of JD and the other tractor makers is they need to change their ways regarding marketing of their products. Why can't JD just publish their list prices on the web? I can go find the list price on a car and its add ons but I can't for a tractor. That is stupid. I have to spend DAYS just to find out prices for a product that I want to purchase. My plan for this afternoon was to go to another JD dealer but I got to busy. 8-( Maybe Saturday morning. My plan is to vist the four JD dealers withing 40 miles of my property. I'll do the same with Blue and Orange dealers. Partly this is to size up the dearlers but I HAVE to do it to find out prices. This is stupid and a waste of time.<br>
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I think the other reality of JD and others is that the market is changing and fast. Here in NC and I would assume the rest of the South, The Gold Leaf is going away and so is the small farmer. Industrial farming is taking over. Therefore who buys a 4000 or 5000 series tractor? It seems to me that it is the landowner with 10 acres or more but less that 100. At least that is what I'm seeing on these two boards. I know as I spent the last three years looking for land in the country that it was very obvious from what I saw and the farm stats that the number of farmers is decreasing rapidly, the age of the farmer is increasing rapidly, and the size of the farm is increasing. The market for small tractors has to be small landowners and landscapers.<br>
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This certainly seem to represent the vocal members on this list and tractorbyte. <br>
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Customer Service is a priority for me and others. I don't think there really is any manufactuer loyality anymore. Maybe with the farmers with a long line of experience. Customer Service and Reputation is going to win.<br>
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If you are still reading this, I'll finally answer the real question that you asked! 8-)<br>
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One of my uses for a tractor is to run a generator off the PTO. I noticed in the 4000 series marketing book that the engine will turn off if the operator leaves the seat and the PTO is running. How am I supposed to run my generator with this setup? I understand the safety utility but there should be a switch to turn this feature off. If I get a 4000 tractor the current design would force me to hack the wiring to turn this off when I need to use the PTO generator. This one simple feature likely will cause me to get a another brand. <br>
I'm looking at the JD 5105 since it does not have this feature and has more HP. But as I look at other brands this switch will be an issue. I understand the decision that went into this feature but there should be away to turn it off. <br>
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Hope this helps....<br>
Dan McCarty<br>

meeting john deere augusta
John Deere Tractors
Replies 38 Post by Dan McCarty

I just had some land cleared for a house site and for a future pastures/open areas. I have tree stumps from 3 inches in diameters to over 36 inches. I'm either going to buy Grandpa's old MF 165 tractor and mount a Woods 7500/9000
back hoe or go Green with a 4400/4500 and matching back hoe. Woods said the 9000 will work on the MF 165 as well as pull the stumps. I would think the Woods BH will work since that 9000 BH has got some muscle!

I know someone who has a stump grinder and charges $1 per inch on the stump diameter. Since many of the stumps are pine and fairly dense per acre I think
I'm going to have to do it myself or take on another job.

Is figuring 20-30 minutes per 30+ inch stump a good guess?

Thanks!
Dan

JD4400 owners journal
John Deere Tractors
Replies 26 Post by Dan McCarty